Amazing how folk will ignore what's inconvenient!
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Misty
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In the dark with Gary Mannion (finally exposed as FRAUD)
mac- Posts : 932
04 Mar 2017, 08:45
Amazing how folk will ignore what's inconvenient!
Amazing how folk will ignore what's inconvenient!
Misty- Posts : 441
04 Mar 2017, 14:09
The website just shows those dates booked in his calendar for March 2017. Doesnt say whether anybody is going to be attending.
And there are lists of 'events' in Germany and Sweden for October and November (but doesnt say what year!) which I think have already passed, but it looks like on the website that they are events happening later this year.
The website just shows those dates booked in his calendar for March 2017. Doesnt say whether anybody is going to be attending.
And there are lists of 'events' in Germany and Sweden for October and November (but doesnt say what year!) which I think have already passed, but it looks like on the website that they are events happening later this year.
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04 Mar 2017, 17:02
So, no change with his self-promoting website tactics then.
It would be an interesting exercise to contact all those featured on those 'testomonial' (sic) videos to see whether or not they have since changed their tune following the recent very damning revelations about Gary's cheating and fraudulent behaviour.
Misty wrote:
The website just shows those dates booked in his calendar for March 2017. Doesnt say whether anybody is going to be attending.
And there are lists of 'events' in Germany and Sweden for October and November (but doesnt say what year!) which I think have already passed, but it looks like on the website that they are events happening later this year.
So, no change with his self-promoting website tactics then.
It would be an interesting exercise to contact all those featured on those 'testomonial' (sic) videos to see whether or not they have since changed their tune following the recent very damning revelations about Gary's cheating and fraudulent behaviour.
mac- Posts : 932
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04 Mar 2017, 21:14
It appears he'll be acting (!?) as a channel for so-called psychic surgery so nothing necessarily for an audience to witness (or fail to witness) unless he produces (or promises to produce) tissue allegedly removed by claimed psychic surgical intervention.
I saw no mention of him being involved with physical mediumship aka phenomenalism so maybe he's keeping his distance from it for now - understandably! lol
It appears he'll be acting (!?) as a channel for so-called psychic surgery so nothing necessarily for an audience to witness (or fail to witness) unless he produces (or promises to produce) tissue allegedly removed by claimed psychic surgical intervention.
I saw no mention of him being involved with physical mediumship aka phenomenalism so maybe he's keeping his distance from it for now - understandably! lol
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04 Mar 2017, 21:58
I don't think he's got any choice in the matter now re the so-called "physical mediumship/séances" etc ...
BUT regarding the events which are still listed (albeit in a cursory fashion) on his website - I think Misty might be correct in thinking these dates have already passed, and that's why the year has conveniently been omitted from the pages. It's probably a ploy to make it look as though he is still in demand.
If, however, he is intending to run events again in Germany, then perhaps people there should be reminded of, or at least made aware of, this article which preceded his visit to Germany back in November 2008:
https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/116720-healer-gary-mannion-to-visit-frankfurt/
mac wrote:It appears he'll be acting (!?) as a channel for so-called psychic surgery so nothing necessarily for an audience to witness (or fail to witness) unless he produces (or promises to produce) tissue allegedly removed by claimed psychic surgical intervention.
I saw no mention of him being involved with physical mediumship aka phenomenalism so maybe he's keeping his distance from it for now - understandably! lol
I don't think he's got any choice in the matter now re the so-called "physical mediumship/séances" etc ...
BUT regarding the events which are still listed (albeit in a cursory fashion) on his website - I think Misty might be correct in thinking these dates have already passed, and that's why the year has conveniently been omitted from the pages. It's probably a ploy to make it look as though he is still in demand.
If, however, he is intending to run events again in Germany, then perhaps people there should be reminded of, or at least made aware of, this article which preceded his visit to Germany back in November 2008:
https://www.toytowngermany.com/forum/topic/116720-healer-gary-mannion-to-visit-frankfurt/
'Healer' Gary Mannion to visit Frankfurt'
Posted 24 Nov 2008
Between 26th and 30th November a 20 year old "psychic surgeon" and all-round New Age healer named Gary Mannion will be visiting Frankfurt, giving what his website describes as "Various workshops, demos and healings" (http://www.garymannion.com).
Mr Mannion first came to my attention in summer 2007, when he became the subject of a long thread on the UK-Skeptics site. When I began to investigate his claims and activities it soon became clear to me that almost every statement he makes is a lie, an evasion or an exaggeration. His claim to have cured a man's terminal liver cancer in two days was brought to the attention of his local Trading Standards office, who threatened him with legal action if the claim was not removed or re-worded. Mr Mannion has also been threatened with legal action by Northwick Park Hospital in London for claiming that their Head Physiotherapist "Manesh Naidoo" was one of the "leading medical professionals" with whom he worked; there is no such person as Manesh Naidoo and the post is in fact held by Sangita Patel. Mr Mannion is also an enthusiastic supporter of the "Indigo Child" myth, according to which children diagnosed with Attention Deficit Disorder, dyslexia, dyspraxia, Aspergers and other disorders represent the next stage of human evolution; he frequently gives talks at which he advises parents on how to care for such children. He is primarily a "psychic surgeon", although unlike the Filipino and Brazilian frauds he doesn't pretend to remove tumours from the body and thereby run the risk of the material being identified as animal tissue and fake blood. However, he does claim to be assisted by 37 invisible surgeon helpers, the chief of whom is none other than the Abraham of the Old Testament!
The extent of Mr Mannion's medical and scientific ignorance is staggering. Here are a few quotes (his spelling throughout):
"Didn't science once thing the Earth was flat?"
"Most of the technolagy we have now, didn't sciene laugh at the idea when it was first mentioned stating it was impossible? Yet we have it not and science fully except it."
His get-out clause is also memorable: "Anything mentioned by me is MY OPINION. I do not medically claim anything and do not state that what I say is correct."
I would stongly advise anyone in Frankfurt who is thinking of attending this event to take everything Mr Mannion says with with a grain, if not a pillar, of salt!
The results of my investigation can be read here: http://www.badpsychicsgarymannion.co.uk
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04 Mar 2017, 22:13
Yes, it seems the advertising events planned for Sweden have actually passed also, but only as recent as October 2016.
From here: https://allevents.in/events/psychic-surgery-demonstration-with-gary-mannion/137522629972114#
Yes, it seems the advertising events planned for Sweden have actually passed also, but only as recent as October 2016.
From here: https://allevents.in/events/psychic-surgery-demonstration-with-gary-mannion/137522629972114#
Event Details Psychic Surgery Demonstration with Gary Mannion
Psychic Surgery is an advanced form of healing that is classed as physical mediumship. Psychic surgery in other countries can cut skin and will physically operate, however Gary has advanced and has the ability to ‘operate’ on the body, without cutting the skin. Gary’s spirit surgeon is Abraham (the one carrying out psychic surgery through Gary). Abraham claims that the work he is carrying out is around 100 years ahead of modern surgery.
His aim is to help those who are suffering in mind, body and spirit in the best way he knows how, which is the healing route.
Gary has a high success rate with many people just needing one treatment.
Price: TBC
Time: 6:30pm - 8:30pm
Where: Äskered, Sweden
When: 20th October 2016
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The only future dates I saw were in connection with psychic surgery. How that will work out we'll have to see. I'm not expecting too much but who knows? Never say never....
Misty- Posts : 441
05 Mar 2017, 16:54
But as far as he is concerned, and it says so on his site - psychic surgery IS physical mediumship. But he is apparently "advanced", "100 years ahead of modern surgery", so he doesnt need to show anything. People are paying to go to these demonstrations to see him touching someone and talking as he does it, and basically saying that he is performing 'healing' ! ... advanced healing.
What a load of codswallop!
mac wrote:
It appears he'll be acting (!?) as a channel for so-called psychic surgery so nothing necessarily for an audience to witness (or fail to witness) unless he produces (or promises to produce) tissue allegedly removed by claimed psychic surgical intervention.
I saw no mention of him being involved with physical mediumship aka phenomenalism so maybe he's keeping his distance from it for now - understandably! lol
But as far as he is concerned, and it says so on his site - psychic surgery IS physical mediumship. But he is apparently "advanced", "100 years ahead of modern surgery", so he doesnt need to show anything. People are paying to go to these demonstrations to see him touching someone and talking as he does it, and basically saying that he is performing 'healing' ! ... advanced healing.
.Event Details Psychic Surgery Demonstration with Gary Mannion
Psychic Surgery is an advanced form of healing that is classed as physical mediumship. Psychic surgery in other countries can cut skin and will physically operate, however Gary has advanced and has the ability to ‘operate’ on the body, without cutting the skin. Gary’s spirit surgeon is Abraham (the one carrying out psychic surgery through Gary). Abraham claims that the work he is carrying out is around 100 years ahead of modern surgery.
His aim is to help those who are suffering in mind, body and spirit in the best way he knows how, which is the healing route.
Gary has a high success rate with many people just needing one treatment
What a load of codswallop!
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05 Mar 2017, 17:26
I hadn't seen how proficient an exponent of psychic surgery he claims to be!
And as for it being ranked as physical mediumship I suppose it depends on how one defines physical mediumship. Either way with alleged psychic surgery there isn't - as I mentioned earlier - any need to show anything as evidence it's taken place. Hence - as you say, kk - all his audience will see is him touching, or nearly touching, the beneficiaries of his (claimed) advanced spiritual healing.
I'll just say I remain to be persuaded he's as good as he suggests he is....
I hadn't seen how proficient an exponent of psychic surgery he claims to be!
And as for it being ranked as physical mediumship I suppose it depends on how one defines physical mediumship. Either way with alleged psychic surgery there isn't - as I mentioned earlier - any need to show anything as evidence it's taken place. Hence - as you say, kk - all his audience will see is him touching, or nearly touching, the beneficiaries of his (claimed) advanced spiritual healing.
I'll just say I remain to be persuaded he's as good as he suggests he is....
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05 Mar 2017, 18:05
It was actually Misty that said that, but I totally agree.
I have been to two of his 'psychic surgery demonstrations', good few years ago now - both times at the Mind, Body, Soul Exhibition in Olympia, London. My attendance was purely out of curiosity and investigative purposes - to find out for myself, having listened to all the claims and the criticism surrounding those claims at the time. On both occasions I wrote a detailed report of what went on at these demos (putting it short - self-promotion. Nothing else!)
It was actually Misty that said that, but I totally agree.
I have been to two of his 'psychic surgery demonstrations', good few years ago now - both times at the Mind, Body, Soul Exhibition in Olympia, London. My attendance was purely out of curiosity and investigative purposes - to find out for myself, having listened to all the claims and the criticism surrounding those claims at the time. On both occasions I wrote a detailed report of what went on at these demos (putting it short - self-promotion. Nothing else!)
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05 Mar 2017, 19:33
oops - course it was Misty - sorry, kk - must've got confused - it's happening more now than it used to....
oops - course it was Misty - sorry, kk - must've got confused - it's happening more now than it used to....
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Extract from November 2017 issue of Psychic News
(by the Editor)
Psychic News reports that
It seems Mannion and his "home circle" have now linked up with the Basel Psi Association, Switzerland, whose president is Lucius Werthmuller.
Karen Richards, a Wallacia member, revealed on Facebook that 16 "advanced sitters" were present at the Basel event, including computer scientist Prof Eckhard Kruse, who brought various items of technology into the room, including an audio device and a thermal imaging camera.
[NOTE: Said Prof Eckhard Kruse is already very much involved with another rather dubious name associated with similar questionable practices masquerading under the umbrella of 'physical mediumship', that of Warren Caylor.]
In response to questions posed on Karen Richards' Facebook page, Gary Mannion responded by saying "As the spirit team are the ones producing the phenomena, it will only get released when they tell us to release it. I am working to let the spirit team show what they can, but it is at their say so. What they want is more important in my eyes."
The Psychic News article concludes:
(by the Editor)
What does an alleged physical medium do with himself after he has been exposed as a blatant fraud?
The answer should be that he disappears from the Spiritualist movement and finds a useful way of making a living instead of duping people who are grieving.
In the case of Gary Mannion, however, the answer seems to be that - after a suitable period of keeping out of the public spotlight following the release of a video showing him impersonating a materialised spirit - he has resumed his séance room performances.
Just as astonishing is the fact that there are venues, run presumably by individuals with the best of intentions but who must be aware of his fraudulent past, that are prepared to allow him to resume his "mediumistic" activities.
..........
Psychic News reports that
Since the beginning of this year the Wallacia group in Western Sydney, which claims to be Australia's "leading research centre for the advancement of Spiritualism, mediumship and psychic science, has been holding regular séances with Mannion and publishing glowing reports about the "wonders" that have been seen.
It is important to note that these séances, now held in either red or blue light and during which ectoplasm is said to appear, are all directed by Mannion's "spirit team" - the same alleged entities who allowed him to masquerade as a spirit at Banyan Retreat. Everything is therefore under his control.
Now, apparently emboldened by Australia's acceptance, Mannion and the Wallacia followers - who he refers to as his "home circle" despite being a UK citizen - are taking his show on the road again. First stop, as far as I know, was the Parsonage Side Retreat in Somerset, UK, which hosted a private Mannion séance on 7 October. It appears that the 14 sitters invited to attend were not charged.
Among those present was Su Filer, who runs the Gilbert Sanctuary in Portsmouth, Hampshire, which - like Parsonage Side - focuses on physical mediumship.
It seems Mannion and his "home circle" have now linked up with the Basel Psi Association, Switzerland, whose president is Lucius Werthmuller.
From Scientific American: https://www.scientificamerican.com/author/lucius-werthmueller/Lucius Werthmüller was born 1958 in Basel, Switzerland. He is a consciousness researcher and parapsychologist. Since 1991 he has been president of the Basel Psi Association with over 1,200 members, the largest organization in the field of the paranormal and the spiritual in Switzerland, and is editor of the Psi-Info, a magazine. In 2000 he was awarded the “Swiss Foundation for Parapsychology” prize. For eight years Lucius was project manager of the “Basel Psi-Days,” a congress with the reputation as the most important public congress on “border areas” of science worldwide. Since 1992 he has run an antique bookshop specializing in parapsychology and spirituality.
Lucius is a founding board member of the Gaia Media Foundation. He was project manager of the international symposium “LSD – Problem Child and Wonder Drug” in January 2006 on the occasion of the 100th birthday of Albert Hofmann in Basel and of the “World Psychedelic Forum” held in 2008.
and further reading from the Irish Times: https://www.irishtimes.com/topics/topics-7.1213540?article=true&tag_person=Lucius+WerthmullerStories by Lucius WerthmüllerTurn On, Tune In, Drop Out--and Accidentally Discover LSD [Excerpt]
When Albert Hoffmann began exploring the chemical properties of the ergot spore, he stumbled upon a potent psychedelic
May 17, 2013 — Dieter Hagenbach and Lucius Werthmüller
Karen Richards, a Wallacia member, revealed on Facebook that 16 "advanced sitters" were present at the Basel event, including computer scientist Prof Eckhard Kruse, who brought various items of technology into the room, including an audio device and a thermal imaging camera.
[NOTE: Said Prof Eckhard Kruse is already very much involved with another rather dubious name associated with similar questionable practices masquerading under the umbrella of 'physical mediumship', that of Warren Caylor.]
(nuff said!)
http://www.eckhardkruse.net/physmed/index.html?enIn response to questions posed on Karen Richards' Facebook page, Gary Mannion responded by saying "As the spirit team are the ones producing the phenomena, it will only get released when they tell us to release it. I am working to let the spirit team show what they can, but it is at their say so. What they want is more important in my eyes."
The Psychic News article concludes:
The best way for Mannion to prove he possesses genuine physical mediumship is for him to submit to a test séance, supervised by independent researchers and recorded with thermal imaging equipment. Psychic News will be pleased to arrange this.
Until that happens, it seems reasonable to remind all churches, centres and venues which might be tempted to host one of his séances that they may - however well intentioned - be aiding and abetting a criminal act, for which they could be prosecuted.
Many churches have signed up to Psychic News' TRUTH campaign, displaying our banner to show that they will allow public physical séances to be held on their premises only by mediums whose abilities have been tested and verified by the use of thermal imaging cameras.
So far, none of the physical mediums currently offering such services has submitted to such a test.
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Did you really think he was going to give up that easily?
Same interviewer - from 6 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euj_lBT_HC0
Same interviewer - from 6 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Euj_lBT_HC0
JDBP- Posts : 389
Impressive that he still tries to talk his way out of it. I guess Colin Fry managed it so why not Mannion.
The only difference between Mannion and other physical mediums is that he got caught.
They are all fake. No exceptions.
The only difference between Mannion and other physical mediums is that he got caught.
They are all fake. No exceptions.
mac- Posts : 932
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ayup! The pretender's back!
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From Psychic News - June 2018 edition:
Despite his exposure as a fraud, Mannion continues to work in a number of capacities within Spiritualism - mostly at the Wallacia Development Centre in Australia - running training courses and giving healing, as well as holding "physical séances", though these are seldom advertised as such.
Astonishingly, his latest attempt to recover from the exposure scandal has led to a poster about his mediumship appearing on Wallacia's Facebook page in which claims are made that his "spirit" workers have "established themselves as an excellent experimental team validated through scientific testing and meeting all criteria of the TRUTH Campaign via Spiritual National Union. The Spirit Team are now wishing to push forward and once again allow séances to be accessible to the public".
This is a blatant lie. The whole point of the TRUTH Campaign is that it involves independent assessment. Mediums do not assess themselves. The implication that the Spiritualists' National Union has given him its seal of approval is also false, and we hope the SNU will take suitable action.
If Mannion has produced phenomena under the Campaign's stringent test conditions and has video footage of his "séances" to prove it, why has it not been made public, in the same way that Banyan Retreat has done with his fraudulent performance?
The answer, we understand, is that his "spirit team" is not yet ready! What do they have to hide, one wonders?
So here's our challenge to Mannion and all others who claim to be able to demonstrate physical phenomena for financial gain to groups of people outside of a home circle.
Contact Psychic News and we will arrange for you to demonstrate your powers in front of a panel of experienced assessors. The test séance will be filmed using non-invasive thermal imaging technology.
And we urge Spiritualists everywhere to put pressure on churches and centres to use only the services of physical mediums who are prepared to be tested and approved by independent observers.
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Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose.....Candlelight.kk wrote:From Psychic News - June 2018 edition:
Despite his exposure as a fraud, Mannion continues to work in a number of capacities within Spiritualism - mostly at the Wallacia Development Centre in Australia - running training courses and giving healing, as well as holding "physical séances", though these are seldom advertised as such.
Astonishingly, his latest attempt to recover from the exposure scandal has led to a poster about his mediumship appearing on Wallacia's Facebook page in which claims are made that his "spirit" workers have "established themselves as an excellent experimental team validated through scientific testing and meeting all criteria of the TRUTH Campaign via Spiritual National Union. The Spirit Team are now wishing to push forward and once again allow séances to be accessible to the public".
This is a blatant lie. The whole point of the TRUTH Campaign is that it involves independent assessment. Mediums do not assess themselves. The implication that the Spiritualists' National Union has given him its seal of approval is also false, and we hope the SNU will take suitable action.
If Mannion has produced phenomena under the Campaign's stringent test conditions and has video footage of his "séances" to prove it, why has it not been made public, in the same way that Banyan Retreat has done with his fraudulent performance?
The answer, we understand, is that his "spirit team" is not yet ready! What do they have to hide, one wonders?
So here's our challenge to Mannion and all others who claim to be able to demonstrate physical phenomena for financial gain to groups of people outside of a home circle.
Contact Psychic News and we will arrange for you to demonstrate your powers in front of a panel of experienced assessors. The test séance will be filmed using non-invasive thermal imaging technology.
And we urge Spiritualists everywhere to put pressure on churches and centres to use only the services of physical mediums who are prepared to be tested and approved by independent observers.
While centres continue to allow practitioners to perform in whatever way they wish what can be done to change things? Better, perhaps, that Modern Spiritualism just distances itself from phenomenalism as it is not part of Spiritualist teaching or practice.
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mac wrote:
While centres continue to allow practitioners to perform in whatever way they wish what can be done to change things? Better, perhaps, that Modern Spiritualism just distances itself from phenomenalism as it is not part of Spiritualist teaching or practice.
What utter nonsense. Modern Spirtiualism and Seance Room tricks are all the same, Modern Spiritualism was born from this very kind of fakery.
And the ONLY reason that mediumship went from the seance room to platform was it was easier to fool people when there is nothing physical to expose.
Gullible and Vulnerable people like you Mac, who have no understanding of the various psychological trickery etc that can be employed can call frauds like Gordon Smith etc the real deal, and even when faced with how they do it, you throw attacks at the person exposing and keep your eyes closed.
What Mannion did/does is no different to what Colin Fry did, Derek Acorah does, Tony Stockwell does. Even so called great likes Doris Stokes, Doris Collins, Gordon Higginson and so on, they are all the same.
Just different branches of the same fraud.
The fraud being to convince people that there is an afterlife and that mediums can communicate with the dead, but only if you give them money.
So yes Modern spiritualism will try to distance itself from physical mediumship, that is common sense, but it is not out of some kind of moral outrage, instead it is all about looking after there own bottom line
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Who let this clown in?
What a faker!
"...there own bottom line."? should that be "...their bottom line."?
Ya gotta larf.....
What a faker!
"...there own bottom line."? should that be "...their bottom line."?
Ya gotta larf.....
Brian- Posts : 46
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I am skeptical too but I am not as certain as you that I know everything. It pays to reserve a little humility for things we can't know until we have fully evaluated the evidence. One piece of evidence I do know is that many mediums are genuine, whether they are right or wrong.JDBP wrote:mac wrote:
While centres continue to allow practitioners to perform in whatever way they wish what can be done to change things? Better, perhaps, that Modern Spiritualism just distances itself from phenomenalism as it is not part of Spiritualist teaching or practice.
What utter nonsense. Modern Spirtiualism and Seance Room tricks are all the same, Modern Spiritualism was born from this very kind of fakery.
And the ONLY reason that mediumship went from the seance room to platform was it was easier to fool people when there is nothing physical to expose.
Gullible and Vulnerable people like you Mac, who have no understanding of the various psychological trickery etc that can be employed can call frauds like Gordon Smith etc the real deal, and even when faced with how they do it, you throw attacks at the person exposing and keep your eyes closed.
What Mannion did/does is no different to what Colin Fry did, Derek Acorah does, Tony Stockwell does. Even so called great likes Doris Stokes, Doris Collins, Gordon Higginson and so on, they are all the same.
Just different branches of the same fraud.
The fraud being to convince people that there is an afterlife and that mediums can communicate with the dead, but only if you give them money.
So yes Modern spiritualism will try to distance itself from physical mediumship, that is common sense, but it is not out of some kind of moral outrage, instead it is all about looking after there own bottom line
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Don't feed the trolls....
This is what the faker wrote "So yes Modern spiritualism will try to distance itself from physical mediumship, that is common sense, but it is not out of some kind of moral outrage, instead it is all about looking after there own bottom line"
Whereas I had written "Better, perhaps, that Modern Spiritualism just distances itself from phenomenalism as it is not part of Spiritualist teaching or practice."
Classic misrepresentation as often used by fakers. Don't feed the trolls....
This is what the faker wrote "So yes Modern spiritualism will try to distance itself from physical mediumship, that is common sense, but it is not out of some kind of moral outrage, instead it is all about looking after there own bottom line"
Whereas I had written "Better, perhaps, that Modern Spiritualism just distances itself from phenomenalism as it is not part of Spiritualist teaching or practice."
Classic misrepresentation as often used by fakers. Don't feed the trolls....
Brian- Posts : 46
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Thanks for the warning. This guy seems to have a history here.mac wrote:Don't feed the trolls....
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Oh he's mostly harmless but annoying and persistent and not to be taken seriously....
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Brian wrote:I am skeptical too but I am not as certain as you that I know everything. It pays to reserve a little humility for things we can't know until we have fully evaluated the evidence. One piece of evidence I do know is that many mediums are genuine, whether they are right or wrong.
I agree, some humility is good.
But there is a difference between me and you.
You say you "know" many mediums are genuine and you have seen the evidence.
I say show me that "evidence" and I will prove it false.
You see I back up everything i say. I fear no one, and i have never ever been proven wrong about a psychic, never. Its incredible I know.
But while various people on here have been astounded by basic trickery, I have always called it out, and in the end i am always proven right.
So do I know everything? No, of course not. DO I have a 100% record in being proven right about psychics, Yep i do.
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I think you misunderstand me. I mean genuine in intent . not capable necessarily. These were people who had a good nature and who made no money out of what they did and had nothing to gain from it. They genuinely believed in their abilities. You had not only stated your belief that they are ineffective but also implied they are all fraudulent.JDBP wrote:Brian wrote:I am skeptical too but I am not as certain as you that I know everything. It pays to reserve a little humility for things we can't know until we have fully evaluated the evidence. One piece of evidence I do know is that many mediums are genuine, whether they are right or wrong.
I agree, some humility is good.
But there is a difference between me and you.
You say you "know" many mediums are genuine and you have seen the evidence.
I say show me that "evidence" and I will prove it false.
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quote: "So do I know everything? No, of course not. DO I have a 100% record in being proven right about psychics, Yep i do."
Our interest is not in psychism or psychics. Our interest is the field of mediumship.
Our interest is not in psychism or psychics. Our interest is the field of mediumship.
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mac wrote:quote: "So do I know everything? No, of course not. DO I have a 100% record in being proven right about psychics, Yep i do."
Our interest is not in psychism or psychics. Our interest is the field of mediumship.
I use the word "Psychic" as a catch all term that covers all, and is used in the American sense.
And since mediumship itself, is not a real thing, I can call it what I like and still be right.
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Brian wrote:I think you misunderstand me. I mean genuine in intent . not capable necessarily. These were people who had a good nature and who made no money out of what they did and had nothing to gain from it. They genuinely believed in their abilities. You had not only stated your belief that they are ineffective but also implied they are all fraudulent.
Yes that is correct, those people suffered with mental illness and delusions.
They may have been "genuine" in what they claimed, but the claim itself is a false claim.
For example Cathy may genuinely believe that dead sailors can speak through her, but the truth is that they do not, since first they are dead, and secondly Cathy has no such ability.
This is why within the industry people refer to mediums as either eyes closed or eyes open, meaning think it is real vs know it is a scam.
ALL TV/Career mediums are eyes open. Just not possible to get to such a position without passing the "moment of justification" so the only eyes closed mediums out there will be deluded housewives who watch too much Most Haunted
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I guess I should really have known better than to think that following all the recent hoo-haw and shenanigans surrounding Gary Mannion, we might now be able to enjoy a modicum of rest and respite while he lays low for a decent period of time before embarking on his next venture. No such luck. You would think, though, that if anyone is bold/naive enough to continue to aid & publicize his questionable activities, they might at least get the facts right.
Interview with Gary Mannion
August 15, 2018•51 min
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/966-seek-reality-29061978/episode/interview-with-gary-mannion-29717128/
Before even listening to it, this is what we are told:
and the rest of the description is highly questionable at the very least and open to much discerning speculation, depending on what "fascinating details" he is peddling in this interview from two months ago. Not having listened to the contents, one can only speculate ....
Interview with Gary Mannion
August 15, 2018•51 min
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/966-seek-reality-29061978/episode/interview-with-gary-mannion-29717128/
Before even listening to it, this is what we are told:
Gary Mannion is a young Australian who is a skilled psychic surgeon and a developing physical medium. He shares with us fascinating details about his rare and rapidly-developing gifts.
- "young" - He's in his 30's ! (ok - might be considered young to some, but .....) ...
- "Australian" - Unless he has now gone and applied for Australian citizenship (?)
and the rest of the description is highly questionable at the very least and open to much discerning speculation, depending on what "fascinating details" he is peddling in this interview from two months ago. Not having listened to the contents, one can only speculate ....
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OK, so no need to speculate any further. Listen for yourself.
This 52 min interview was broadcast on 15 August 2018, the interviewer is Roberta Grimes, who introduces Gary as "a great friend of Victor and Wendy Zammit", who apparently have been "singing his praises" and think he is "terrific".
Gary speaks here of psychic surgery and also talks extensively about physical mediumship.
This 52 min interview was broadcast on 15 August 2018, the interviewer is Roberta Grimes, who introduces Gary as "a great friend of Victor and Wendy Zammit", who apparently have been "singing his praises" and think he is "terrific".
Gary speaks here of psychic surgery and also talks extensively about physical mediumship.
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Well that WAS an interesting programme. I admit I only knew Mannion's name and his recently-achieved Wallacia notoriety.
I didn't know correction: I hadn't fully appreciated or maybe not even remembered he makes a living as a healer-cum-psychic-surgeon dependent on where he's working in the world.
I did know that he presented himself as a physical medium.
I did know that he presented himself as a physical medium.
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mac,mac wrote: Well that WAS an interesting programme. I admit I only knew Mannion's name and his recently-achieved Wallacia notoriety.
I didn't knowcorrection: I hadn't fully appreciated or maybe not even remembered he makes a living as a healer-cum-psychic-surgeon dependent on where he's working in the world.
I did know that he presented himself as a physical medium.
If you read in detail the full thread here - in particular the very first post from the first page (quoted below), as well as my emboldened links provided in that post, you would have a clearer picture of just how far the extent of his (Gary Mannion's) notoriety spreads. Unfortunately, both forums from where those links have been extracted are now closed, and those two links are just a fraction of the full recorded detail covering the whole sordid history of this individual and his self-professed claims of being a 'psychic surgeon' / 'indigo child'.
Those links, salvaged via the Internet Wayback Machine, are just the tip of the iceberg.
Candlelight.kk wrote:16 Jun 2016, 23:35
Maybe now people will sit up and start to realise what some of us have known for years ...
This new site sheds a little light on some dark goings-on ...
Caught on camera!
http://www.garyfiles.co.uk/What really happens when you sit in the dark with Gary Mannion.
Discussion pages here: http://www.garyfiles.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?id=3
The only surprise here (for me) is just how this chancer has managed to get away with his blarney for so long.
These guys were on to him from the start: https://web.archive.org/web/20090113200910/http://www.ukskeptics.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1229
And the Spiritlove forum had a thread that spanned just under 2,000 posts! - (and that was back in 2007!)
https://web.archive.org/web/20111115124545/http://spiritlove.freeforums.org/locked-thread-gary-mannion-t306-1850.html
One of the salvaged links (from the Spiritlove forum) contains the following post, which I (Kitkat) wrote on 3rd October 2010:
Mind, Body & Soul Exhibition
Olympia, London - 2nd and 3rd October 2010
http://www.mbsevents.co.uk/London/about ... /index.asp
Had a very interesting day today at the MBS Exhibition, where one of the events I took in was Gary Mannion's demonstration.
Just a little re-cap - This is the same event and venue where I first saw Gary demonstrate, two years ago - and which was being filmed at the time for the BBC documentary, 'Young, Psychic & Possessed'.
This was my review at the time:
Spoiler:
Well, on Sunday I finally got to see for myself what all the fuss has been about.
The session was being filmed for a forthcoming BBC tv program, and I saw that Gary was being interviewed on camera just inside the door for about 5 minutes or so before the demonstration began.
After Gary's initial introduction to the audience of about 120 people, explaining how as a trance psychic surgeon he would be channeling healing through (the biblical) Abraham. He explained that unlike John of God, who goes into deep trance, he preferred to allow the healing to be channelled solely through his hands, thus remaining fully aware so that he could explain to the audience what is happening as he goes along, and be 'present' to answer any questions. I was particularly interested in this aspect, having seen a number of trance mediums in different stages of trance, taken part in spiritual healing and trance workshops run by the most senior respected and experienced mediums, healers and teachers in the Spiritualist movement.
Also having experienced overshadowing, transfiguration and trance stages of healing and mediumship myself, I was intrigued to see how this might manifest itself through Gary's demonstration.
I have to say, I saw no evidence whatsoever of any spiritual healing or trance activity taking place in that room.
Gary first asked, on Abraham's (apparent) suggestion, if there was anyone in the audience suffering from allergies. A young girl went up and lay on the table. Gary suggested that allergies all stem from the pancreas. He placed his hands on her pancreas area and proceeded to knead that one spot with his hands (in what I would describe as a bread-making movement, as though kneading dough, and continued this movement for a good 20 minutes, all the time talking to us about the various conditions that people come to him with, and answering questions from the audience. He told us how he is undergoing testing with Archie Roy, Tricia Robertson and Harry Oldfield, mentioning the Faraday Cage, etc. He asked a number of times if there were any more questions. 'Do you treat neurological problems?' was one, 'arthritis?' another. To every condition that was asked of him he replied yes, we have had clients for this, that and the other. He suggested that a good cure for arthritis is to rub peanut oil into the skin, which can be bought in the shops, so long as a person is not allergic to peanuts.
After about 15 minutes of kneading, he asked his volunteer if she felt anything. I could not hear her reply, but could see that she shook her head as if to say 'no'. He then continued with his talk, still kneading.
When finished, he started to tell her that she would not feel any effects straight away but in a few days ... she interrupted him to say that she is already undergoing a course for her allergies and hoped that this 'treatment' would not interfere with her course. His answer was that no, it would not affect her course in any way, but she would find in a few days that suddenly she would feel an effect, different from what she is experiencing at the moment.
Next, Gary suggested that there was someone in the audience who has been suffering pain in the right arm, stemming from the shoulder. A man immediately put his hand straight up (his right arm ' the painful one'). Gary asked is it the right one, it must be the right one? and is it all down the arm? He said yes, for a long time now, and it goes right down to my fingers. This man was sitting right up in the front row just inside the door. I had particularly noticed him as he had arrived with 2 other people literally just before the demonstration was about to begin.
He sat on the edge of the table and Gary began with the same kneading motions to his upper back, again talking continuously and inviting more questions. When asked if he had felt anything, the man replied yes, I felt an energy. This energy he said had entered through his right foot and he felt it travel up the right side of his body. He felt this energy left him cleared. All the left side of his body was cleared, and he said he knew the left side was connected to the heart. Then he said he felt the energy go upwards and felt it enter the crown chakra.
At the end of his session the man said that he actually knew beforehand that he was going to be called up - because Abraham told him. He heard Abraham say 'You will be next'. Gary didn't seem to find anything strange or unusual about this comment, simply repeated what the man had said and then asked if there were any more questions. I so wanted to ask that man a question, but someone then asked another question, can't remember what. I think Gary then said that it would take a few days, but his pain would go, something like that. To be honest, I was in a slightly bemused state at this stage, finding it a bit hard to take it all in.
I was not impressed.
My overall feeling was that this was some kind of publicity stunt - for Gary Mannion.
Two years on ... and my thoughts on Gary Mannion have not changed. I saw no evidence today that Gary was working in trance or performing any kind of healing on the two volunteers who went up to receive "treatment". In my opinion, today's "demonstration" was as before, a public relations exercise for the various centres and workshops that have been set up in Gary's name. Inviting questions from the audience and talking all the way through, Gary made mention of some new centre which is going to be run in a similar way to the John of God healing centre in Brazil, (3 questions allowed for the entities), a waiting area .. etc (not everyone gets chosen to get through) - as he mentioned he had recently been to Brazil to see John of God and also India to see Sai Baba.
When the question (my question) was put to Gary about his visit to JoG and the 3 questions - did he get his questions answered, Gary said that he was in a privileged position because he had been personally invited there (by spiritual message) and he actually got the chance 3 or 4 times to ask questions of the entities. He didn't say what the questions were but said that some were answered, some not - but then (he said) he didn't think they wanted him there, as they apparently looked on him as a threat (his words). When asked to elaborate on that he said JoG is now getting old and might not be around much longer ... and they (not sure who the "they" were ) were worried that Gary posed a threat (taking over where he left off? Not really sure .. but Gary seems to be thinking along those lines anyway). So now it would seem Gary is planning on setting up a JoG type of thing here ...(?) all very strange ... I'm not really sure what to make of it all. It was all a bit mumbled and vague.
In stark contrast, I went from that to a demonstration of clairvoyance with Tony Stockwell - and I was one of the people to get a message! Tony stayed with me a long time ... and got loads of detailed accurate messages ... but more than anything ... he told me one particular specific validating absolutely spot-on detail that has convinced me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Tony Stockwell IS the REAL DEAL. (I will go into more detail in the appropriate thread).
I also got an invigorating but relaxing massage while there, did a free [very interesting] 'stress test' on the Scientology stall where they were trying to flog Ron Hubbard's book and CD - lol (had bit of a "debate" with the guy doing the test - I'll tell more about that in the Scientology thread in The Viewing Room) - oh, and saw our 'Spiritlinker' there - just arriving as we were leaving. She was heading for the Crystals stall.
All in all, quite an eventful day.
Here is a trailer for the BBC documentary mentioned in above quoted post. The full documentary has since disappeared from all of Gary's various websites and from YouTube. Part of the filming for the documentary was done at an actual demonstration where Gary was 'performing' his so-called psychic surgery. I was there to witness the full demonstration - and was interviewed by the BBC film-makers afterwards. (I requested that my recorded interview be "off-the-record" and suggested that the answers to all the questions they were asking me could be found on the (2,000 plus posts) thread on the Spiritlove Forum - the film-maker Ameka Onono was very interested on hearing this and requested the address of Spiritlove, intimating that they would be most interested in perusing, which they did.) Also interviewed at the same time was one of the UK-Skeptic posters who had contributed to both above quoted forums (UK-Skeptics and Spiritlove Forum) and who had also been at the demonstration that day. We met in person for the first time that day, and now remain very good friends IRL. (That was NOT JD, btw!) Apparently, Jon Donnis was also interviewed and filmed on a separate occasion to appear in the documentary giving his views - but for some reason ... they decided not to include his interview in the final documentary. LOL - it doesn't take much imagination to figure out the reason for that!
Poor soul - I don't think he's ever got over that.
Twenty-year-old Gary Mannion calls himself Britain's youngest psychic surgeon. He says he treats all manner of serious illnesses by channelling the spirit of the Abraham from the Bible to operate on the sick. In Young, Psychic and Possessed film-maker Emeka Onono follows Gary as he tries to prove he really does have the power to heal. Its a journey that will challenge both sceptics and true believers. Emeka hears stories of miracle cures, watches Gary operate, participates in séances and even speaks to Abraham before turning to science to try and separate fact from fantasy.
(From the Harrow Observer Mar 25 2009 )
Harrow 'psychic' under investigation
Trading standards are investigating a 'psychic surgeon' from Harrow following a BBC documentary on his work.
Gary Mannion, from South Harrow, was the subject of 'Gary: Young, Psychic and Possessed', a BBC Three programme aired on Tuesday night, in which he claims a spirit called Abraham helps him tend to people's ailments.
And now, in light of the show, Harrow and Brent trading standards officers will be looking into his practices - a year after he was ordered to take down a testimonial on his website that claimed he cured cancer.
During the one hour show the 20-year-old is seen treating clients with Alzheimer's, gall stones, and brain tumours using a form of psychic healing, which according to the programme can earn him up to £2,000 a week.
On his website he says that despite having no medical knowledge, except "basic first aid", he has a spirit called Abraham who "uses my hands to perform psychic surgery" and enables him to "see inside people's bodies".
Before each treatment Mr Mannion is required by law to preface his work with a disclaimer that informs clients that he has no medical knowledge and he is not offering a cure.
But in the documentary he said: "I make it very clear that I can't guarantee a cure.
"I'm not claiming anything. I'm passionate about what I do and I like it when clients come and say they're better.
"I'm confident with it..... [so] people [might] not listen to the disclaimer."
Speaking the day after the airing of the programme Bill Bilon the director of trading standards, said: "The documentary is being reviewed by trading standards regarding Mr Mannion's business and potential claims made.
"No complaints have been received by Harrow Council since the broadcast, though we can confirm trading standards officers visited Mr Mannion in February 2008 to provide guidance and advice.
"Mr Mannion was reminded to be compliant with the Cancer Act, which states it is illegal to claim to be able to cure the disease.
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Candlelight.kk wrote:OK, so no need to speculate any further. Listen for yourself.
This 52 min interview was broadcast on 15 August 2018, the interviewer is Roberta Grimes, who introduces Gary as "a great friend of Victor and Wendy Zammit", who apparently have been "singing his praises" and think he is "terrific".
Gary speaks here of psychic surgery and also talks extensively about physical mediumship.
That interview is a repeat broadcast _ of an audio podcast first released on September 7, 2015, some years before the cheating Garygate videos were made public (which incidentally have all now disappeared from the world wide web).
I doubt very much if Victor and Wendy Zammit are still "singing his praises" as was the case at time of interview, as when the damning video tapes of Mannion's disgrace first came to light a glowing report of their attendance at one of Mannion's seances in Australia was very quickly and wisely taken down from Victor Zammit's website.
Someone ought to enlighten the Zammits that it would now appear they are currently supporting and promoting the claims and actions of a proven cheating fraud.
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TruthFinder wrote:Candlelight.kk wrote:OK, so no need to speculate any further. Listen for yourself.
This 52 min interview was broadcast on 15 August 2018, the interviewer is Roberta Grimes, who introduces Gary as "a great friend of Victor and Wendy Zammit", who apparently have been "singing his praises" and think he is "terrific".
Gary speaks here of psychic surgery and also talks extensively about physical mediumship.
That interview is a repeat broadcast _ of an audio podcast first released on September 7, 2015, some years before the cheating Garygate videos were made public (which incidentally have all now disappeared from the world wide web).
I doubt very much if Victor and Wendy Zammit are still "singing his praises" as was the case at time of interview, as when the damning video tapes of Mannion's disgrace first came to light a glowing report of their attendance at one of Mannion's seances in Australia was very quickly and wisely taken down from Victor Zammit's website.
Someone ought to enlighten the Zammits that it would now appear they are currently supporting and promoting the claims and actions of a proven cheating fraud.
It's been done. They know.
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TruthFinder wrote:Candlelight.kk wrote:OK, so no need to speculate any further. Listen for yourself.
This 52 min interview was broadcast on 15 August 2018, the interviewer is Roberta Grimes, who introduces Gary as "a great friend of Victor and Wendy Zammit", who apparently have been "singing his praises" and think he is "terrific".
Gary speaks here of psychic surgery and also talks extensively about physical mediumship.
That interview is a repeat broadcast _ of an audio podcast first released on September 7, 2015, some years before the cheating Garygate videos were made public (which incidentally have all now disappeared from the world wide web).
I doubt very much if Victor and Wendy Zammit are still "singing his praises" as was the case at time of interview, as when the damning video tapes of Mannion's disgrace first came to light a glowing report of their attendance at one of Mannion's seances in Australia was very quickly and wisely taken down from Victor Zammit's website.
Someone ought to enlighten the Zammits that it would now appear they are currently supporting and promoting the claims and actions of a proven cheating fraud.
Thanks, TruthFinder, for clarifying that; it's certainly reassuring to know that this was not just a recent attempt by Mannion to reinvent his act in places anew.
mac wrote:It's been done. They know.
Good news all round.
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In case anyone missed it first time round:
PART 1
41 mins 41 secs
PART TWO
41mins 56secs
The original record time of the full film was 1 hour and 47 minutes All periods of inactivity during the recording have been removed, leaving an edited film time of 1 hour 23 minutes (shared online in two parts) No other edits or changes have been made. No sound was available with this recording The times shown below indicate highlights of this edited version of the film only
There were approximately 30 people in the room
PART 1
41 mins 41 secs
A small table, an upright seance trumpet and other items can be seen in the center of the floor. A pop-up tent can be seen on the left. The circle of sitters settle down and after 16 seconds the light is switched off
At 2:20 minutes, the pop-up tent can be seen to move a little. At 5:26 the pop-up tent begins to move again. At 5:34 it spins quickly in a counter-clockwise direction then stops, and much movement is seen happening on the inside
At 7:05 a human figure is seen moving inside the pop-up tent. The figure lifts the pop-up tent on one side, bends down to get out, then stands upright in the room. Then, with hands clasped behind, begins to walk carefully around the pitch dark room, in a clockwise direction
At 10:27 the figure gets closer to the camera, and is clearly seen holding the trumpet by the narrow end, and waving the luminous wider end around the faces of the seated sitters. The figure is clearly seen gently rolling the trumpet on top of one sitter’s head
At 12:05 the figure returns to the table in the center of the room and drops the smaller trumpet over the first one. After walking around the items on the floor, the figure walks back to the pop-up tent, in the dark, with both arms outstretched. The figure moves around to its left, bends down, lifts the lower edge, then crouches down and goes back inside the pop-up tent. At 12:37 the figure is seen standing inside the pop-up tent, then disappears from view
At 13:22 the figure opens the zippered doorway of the pop-up tent and steps into the center of the room again. In full view of the camera, the figure removes the top portion of the jumpsuit. Tying the jumpsuit sleeves together to form a belt, the figure then removes a light coloured t-shirt, rendering himself bare-chested
At 13:57 the figure is seen holding the removed t-shirt in one hand and swinging it around briskly in the air, in a clockwise motion, creating a windmill effect. At 14:23 the figure abruptly stops swinging the t-shirt and stuffs it down the front of the lower half of the tied jumpsuit
At 15:46 the figure moves to the left along the row of sitters and appears to be touching their legs in turn. The figure moves back along the row to the right and repeats the leg touching
At 16:40 the figure reaches down and grabs one of the sitter’s chairs and physically pulls it away from the wall. The figure stands behind the sitter in the moved chair and begins to drag their chair backwards in the dark, away from its place in the room, with the sitter still seated
At 17:11 the figure crouches behind the sitters chair and tips them backwards in the dark, while at the same time, reaching out to touch the legs of another sitter on the right. Leaving the moved sitter in their chair, the figure stands and moves towards another sitter. Grabbing hold of this second sitter’s chair, the figure physically drags it away from the wall
At 20:47 the figure pulls the third sitter around in her chair, touches her head and strokes her hair, then tips her chair back, while reaching to touch another another sitter. After touching the third sitter some more, at 21:39 the figure suddenly returns to the pop-up tent
Now naked to the waist, the figure stuffs something down the front of the jumpsuit and ties the sleeves to form a belt. While walking nearer the camera, the figure bends down with outstretched hands, almost touching the floor. The figure now appears to be touching the feet of different sitters
The figure stands, walks to the left and at 26:53 is seen taking the hand of a female sitter. The figure is seen placing the sitter’s hand onto his bare torso. The figure places the sitter’s hand back down, then moves to the left out of view. Moving left again, the figure is seen taking the hand of another sitter and holding it onto his bare torso. Moving further around the group, the figure stands in front of a third sitter and appears to take their hand, also placing it onto his bare torso
At 34:00, after a period of inactivity (edited out), the pop-up tent has been turned slightly and the zippered doorway is now facing the camera. The figure steps out of the pop-up tent and walks carefully into the centre of the room. The figure is clearly seen almost naked, wearing nothing but a thong and a piece of fabric as a loin cloth, which covers the thighs to just above the knees
At 40:53 the figure moves carefully back towards the pop-up tent and goes back inside.
PART TWO
41mins 56secs
After a period of inactivity (edited out), two sitters have stood up and carefully made their way to the center of the room and are seen standing, side by side. The figure, now wearing the hooded jumpsuit again, steps out from the pop-up tent, adjusts his jumpsuit, pulls up his sleeves and walks over to stand behind the two sitters
At 10:26 the figure stands, turns and walks very carefully back to the pop-up tent. After looking around the room, the figure goes back through the open doorway of the tent and is seen inside taking a seat
After a period of inactivity (edited out), at 11:56 one of the sitters from the back of the room stands and moves carefully around the room towards the pop-up tent. Feeling around in the dark, the sitter appears to be checking the tent. The sitter moves around to the tent’s open doorway and is seen bending down low towards the seated figure. After a few minutes of apparent checking, at 13:52 the sitter returns carefully back to their seat
After a period of inactivity (edited out), at 14:23 the small floor lamp is switched on and the pop-up tent is seen lifted up by some sitters, who then fold up the tent, revealing the figure inside, who is sitting on a solid high back chair. The sitters return to their seats and the floor lamp is switched off
The lamp is switched on at 17:33 and the figure is seen sitting perfectly still. After a few seconds the floor lamp is switched off again. At 17:53 the figure suddenly leans forward in the chair and something can be seen passing between his hand and face. At 18:26 the lamp is switched back on and the figure is again seen sitting upright and not moving
At 20:19 the lamp is switched off and within seconds the figure leans forward in the chair and brings his face down to meet his hand. After sitting upright for a few seconds, at 21:00 the figure suddenly leans forward again and something long and light in colour can be seen hanging down from his mouth
At 25:23 one of the sitters reaches for a seance trumpet and, in the dark, carefully places it in front of the seated figure At 27:08, after a period of inactivity (edited out), the seated figure suddenly leans forward and grabs the upright seance trumpet by his right hand and brings it up to meet his face, holding it at a 45 degree angle. At 27:28 the figure is seen to swing around to the left, while still holding the trumpet to his face. With the trumpet now out of view, the figure is seen leaning forward in the chair and repeatedly bringing his hand up to his mouth
At 35:16 the figure visibly lurches upward, lifting his bodyweight off the seat of the chair and then drops back down, with enough force to visibly lift the chair up and back down again. At this point the arms appear to be tied to the chair again
The figure is seen to lean forward a number of times, bringing his face down to his hand and 37:48 some of the sitters are seen stretching and relaxing their bodies. This seems to signal the end of the seance. At the same time, the figure in the chair is moving less and less, until he is sitting upright and not moving at all
At 38:30 the small floor lamp is switched on. The figure in the chair is not moving and one of the sitters stands and moves carefully, in the low light, across the room towards the seated figure. The sitter appears to be visually checking the restraints around the arms and legs of the seated figure. Then they return carefully to their seat
At 41:18 a door is opened and the figure remains seated as the sitters being to leave the room.
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Candlelight.kk wrote:In case anyone missed it first time round:
PART TWO
41mins 56secs
UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE STILL NEED REMINDING.
Gary Mannion is still peddling his 'psychic surgery' baloney, charging £45 a session for "one-to-one appointments" at Gary Mannion Clinic.
https://www.eventrii.com/events/13596493-psychic-surgery-one-to-one-appointments-with-gary-mannion-tickets-croydon/
and demonstrating at Mind, Body, Soul -- October 2019 in London
https://london.mbsevents.co.uk/event/psychic-surgery-demonstration-with-gary-mannion-2/
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TruthFinder wrote:
Gary Mannion is still peddling his 'psychic surgery' baloney, charging £45 a session for "one-to-one appointments" at Gary Mannion Clinic.
https://www.eventrii.com/events/13596493-psychic-surgery-one-to-one-appointments-with-gary-mannion-tickets-croydon/
and demonstrating at Mind, Body, Soul -- October 2019 in London
https://london.mbsevents.co.uk/event/psychic-surgery-demonstration-with-gary-mannion-2/
Why am I not surprised?
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If you can just tough it out and never apologise you can get away with all kinds of bad behaviour and carry on without significant consequences. Never admit being wrong, never offer an apology unless you're controlling the outcome.
Works every time for President Teflon Don and BoJo may be the next.....
Works every time for President Teflon Don and BoJo may be the next.....
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Not surprised
Well sooner or later he as well as anybody else would be exposed. One can see clearly a difference between a scam and someone who really devotes himself to this job, such as i.e. the professionals i have come across.
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jimkost wrote:Well sooner or later he as well as anybody else would be exposed. One can see clearly a difference between a scam and someone who really devotes himself to this job, such as i.e. the professionals i have come across.
He's already been exposed but that didn't mean a great deal as the individual continues plying his trade.
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Is there no end to this guy's shenanigans.
Apparently not .........
From here: https://www.starnow.co.uk/garymannion/#credits
and from here: https://www.yellowad.co.uk/troubled-chelmsford-pub-the-bay-horse-keeps-licence-with-conditions/
Apparently not .........
From here: https://www.starnow.co.uk/garymannion/#credits
Hi I'm Gary My work background is in international Event Management, Owning and running a pub, I'm a qualified BodyGuard, Private investigator and First Responder I like to think my work background shows that I am quite diverse to whatever role you may be looking for and can bring skills from ...
and from here: https://www.yellowad.co.uk/troubled-chelmsford-pub-the-bay-horse-keeps-licence-with-conditions/
The designated premises supervisor Gary Manion has been removed from the licence and the premises is not to be occupied, managed, directed, controlled or otherwise run by Mr Manion, his agents, the Manion Group or anyone associated with them.
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Words fail but he's not duping the vulnerable the way he used to. The further this individual is from matters of the spirit the better it is in my view.
And with such a talent (albeit self-proclaimed) the world is his oyster!
And with such a talent (albeit self-proclaimed) the world is his oyster!
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It's been a while - I'll take a look at the video later when I'm in a generous mood, most likely when I'm sitting with a Bud in my hand to enhance my feeling of generosity! lol
There's no saying that will actually work though!
There's no saying that will actually work though!
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Well that was an interesting trance session but a heavily edited video, it seemed.....
My ears pricked up as the interviewer waited for Abraham to appear. I think I heard the her say that when ectoplasm is involved the medium can lose as much as 50% body weight and heart rate can fall as low as 8 bpm. I didn't know that!
My ears pricked up as the interviewer waited for Abraham to appear. I think I heard the her say that when ectoplasm is involved the medium can lose as much as 50% body weight and heart rate can fall as low as 8 bpm. I didn't know that!