JDBP wrote:mac wrote:Jon you need to sort yourself out. Isn't it a nonsense for you to be demanding anything from anyone when your position is that all mediumship is fake? Speaking about 'mediums' when you don't accept there are any is also illogical.
You are really saying that my opinion is a nonsense because I dont believe? You use the word nonsense when talking about mediumship and a skeptic, and the skeptic is the one you are using the word nonsense towards! lol.
No that's not what I'm saying. I wrote what I intended to say.
We here, and others elsewhere, do understand what you believe to be the situation based on your experience. Your bluster is seen for what it is - bluster. You enjoy your chosen stance and will probably maintain it through thick and thin - kudos! Generalisation is your forté - bully for you but we can see through it. No matter....JDBP wrote:OBVIOUSLY its all fake, and to demand anything of course its silly, I KNOW THAT< I am making a point to try and show believers how ridiculous the whole thing is, and that the fact that such demands are NOT being made by those on the inside, shows that they all know its a con.
I don't need to be bright, I'm only 69 and although my 10K performance has slowed, my mental capacity hasn't. And there's really no need to try to be hurtful, Jon. We can disagree without that.JDBP wrote:Damn for a 70 year old man Keith you aint that bright sometimes!
JDBP wrote:After every major exposure or damaging event in spiritualism, its the same old thing.
But you don't care anyway!
I have never said say you don't care about exposing fraud but you don't care about its impact on Spiritualism - you mentioned it in that context.JDBP wrote:I do care though, over a decade of exposing frauds, and helping victims of frauds proves I care, and if my voice starts a debate then it is worth doing.
So I contribute to a fraudulent industry do I Jon boy? interesting....JDBP wrote:You are someone who doesn't care, from the fact you have contributed to a fraudulent industry and have never done a single thing to expose it, or help victims.
JDBP wrote:At least I am hated by the frauds because i am a threat to them, remind me again why you are hated by everyone?
So I'm hated by everyone? Oh you so know how to hurt! I'm glad though that you're hated by frauds as they deserve all you give them.
JDBP wrote:...faked physical mediumship is still going on at Banyan and in full knowledge of Nic and the people "in the know"
To you ALL claimed mediumship is fake so what's special about Banyan?
JDBP wrote:Well for a start it is the topic of conversation regarding where Mannion got caught out, plus it hosts other fake mediums like David Thompson and they cover up his fraud clearly, since no videos of him have emerged! Funny that!
It's your position that there are no genuine mediums, Jon, so what's a "fake medium"? Banyan isn't special because - using your approach - EVERY single venue must surely be equally culpable and equally deserving of your ire.
JDBP wrote:Only an absolute gullible fool would believe in physical mediumship in the first place when all evidence is presented IN THE FREAKING DARK!
But then the gullible fool is kind of the exact kind of customer that spiritualism needs and wants.
As for Laraine Killarney, she can act as outraged as she wants, but fact remains she knowingly allows and promotes frauds at Stourbridge church!
To you all mediumship is fake so why single out physical mediumship?
ALL mediumship is fake, Jon, according to you. Differences are meaningless if all is fraud.JDBP wrote:Because when physical mediumship is exposed, even believers tend to accept the truth, because it is right there in front of them in video format.
If I expose a mental medium, then you can get all manner of excuses like
"they were having a bad day"
"mediums cant perform on demand"
"Thats only your opinion"
"there is no way they could have known blah blah blah when I got a reading"
JDBP wrote:And so on, the excuses are endless, however only a real real idiot defends a physical medium when they get caught cheating.
I loved the excuses I heard after Colin Fry got caught cheating, the cover up by the Psychic News back then was hilarious, and that was after they broke the story too.
That is my largest problem with all of this, the hypocrisy, and damage control from all corners, the truth is that Mannion is probably the person to blame the least for his fraud!
Why do YOU have any problem with others' failings as you consider them? Others carry responsibility if they've failed to act appropriately but you are in no special position to judge their motives.
You are knowledgeable and experienced in a narrow field of expertise I readily accept but that doesn't put you in a special position to judge someone's motives.JDBP wrote:I disagree, I am perfectly position to judge their motives, since I am the single most knowledgeable and experienced person in the genre in the UK. No one comes close to me, seriously ego aside, can you name one person in the UK who even comes close to my knowledge and experience on this subject?
Blame for the fraud is, however, the responsibility of Mannion and anyone who knowingly supported him in that fraud.
We can all judge for ourselves who deserves blame. You're not unique in seeing where it should lie.JDBP wrote:So Banyan are to blame then, especially as they were blackmailing Mannion, and were happy to COVER IT UP as long as Mannion did what they said, everyone seems to miss that one very important point dont they!
Not me, you cant get anything past me!